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Professional => Concept, design, and engineering => Topic started by: Bootcat on June 19, 2018, 01:38:07 AM

Title: First Spear Tubes vs 2M ROC buckles patent issue
Post by: Bootcat on June 19, 2018, 01:38:07 AM
Hello,

I received a message from my contact at FirstSpear about the 2M ROC buckles we use along with some other brands in Europe and the USA.
FirstSpear believes the buckles infringe on their Tubes pattern and are starting the legal action.

For context: NFM has the distribution rights for Tubes in Europe but FirstSpear acknowledges that NFM is not selling them to anyone.
FirstSpear will not OEM produce carriers for export to Europe because of the NFM agreement so this way is blocked as well.
I heard that the Lindnerhof proprietary buckles might be available for sale.
I would rather use buckles from a manufacturer instead of a competitor for obvious reasons.

I haven't read the Tubes patent and can't judge whether the infringement claim stands (not a lawyer).
Link to the patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2013119294A1/en?assignee=firstspear (https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2013119294A1/en?assignee=firstspear)
I have written about this to 2M and will keep you posted.
Title: Re: First Spear Tubes vs 2M ROC buckles patent issue
Post by: Bootcat on June 19, 2018, 05:42:27 AM
2M sent me their patent text. They are confident that it doesn't infringe on the Tubes patent.
Grab a seat, here's your popcorn...
Title: Re: First Spear Tubes vs 2M ROC buckles patent issue
Post by: Gear Dynamics on June 19, 2018, 05:02:24 PM
Hmmm...interesting.
Title: Re: First Spear Tubes vs 2M ROC buckles patent issue
Post by: BergspitzeCustoms on June 19, 2018, 09:45:48 PM
So this is where things get interesting.  Because on the one hand, it is pretty clear that the ROC buckles came about in an attempt to offer a same-but-different solution to the Tubes.  I mean, they look *almost-exactly-similar*.

However, that is not how patent laws go.  So are they clearly a not-copied-copy?  I think so.  Does 2M have legal ground to stand on?  They just might.

Popping my popcorn for this one.  Could get interesting.
Title: Re: First Spear Tubes vs 2M ROC buckles patent issue
Post by: Vanrhodes on June 20, 2018, 09:14:51 AM
This is bound to get interesting. :)
Title: Re: First Spear Tubes vs 2M ROC buckles patent issue
Post by: gearmaker.org on June 20, 2018, 09:49:39 AM
So far there appears to be secondhand accounts, hearsay, conjecture, and speculation.

"Just the facts, ma'am."
Title: Re: First Spear Tubes vs 2M ROC buckles patent issue
Post by: Bootcat on June 20, 2018, 11:08:41 PM
So far there appears to be secondhand accounts, hearsay, conjecture, and speculation.

"Just the facts, ma'am."

Emails from Directors of International Sales for both companies are direct sources. I left out some aspects for the sake of discretion.
Title: Re: First Spear Tubes vs 2M ROC buckles patent issue
Post by: Gear Dynamics on August 06, 2018, 07:46:15 PM
Any word on this? Bootcat?
Title: Re: First Spear Tubes vs 2M ROC buckles patent issue
Post by: Bootcat on August 07, 2018, 03:12:45 AM
No news yet. I guess the lawfare phase is ongoing.
Title: Re: First Spear Tubes vs 2M ROC buckles patent issue
Post by: gearmaker.org on August 12, 2018, 01:14:38 PM
No news yet. I guess the lawfare phase is ongoing.

Please keep guesses to yourself.  Guesses are speculation.  Please refrain from speculation.  Thank you.