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Thank you for posting how you do it. I just had a call with my team and I think we are going to go with a super simple option. Colors, versions and categories can all be listed or communicated separately outside of the style # in the BOM, patterns and/or techdata package.

We are leaning to one of the following two systems for Style #s.

Keep in mind we have a lot of contract cut & sew (OEM) customers that we cut and sew for, as well as, internal company products.

Option 1.

Five digits in the series. First two #s are for customer identification, and the last three are for identification of the product (No categories for type of products)

For example, 12001 would be for customer 12 (John Doe's Fishing Pouches)

No categories, we just list the product name, color and size in our emails and it's all listed in the bill of materials/tech data packs already.

Not having categories is the biggest issue of this option, however it simplifies things a lot because we make everything from slings to body armor plate carriers to medical back braces. Excel hates to put a zero in front of a # so our style #s will be four digits for the first 1 through 9 customers. We'll also reserve 99 for customers that only need a production run a single time (one shots) and not use 13 like they do in elevators/buildings.

Option 2.

Four digits in the series. First # is for a category (pouch, belt, plate carrier, backpack, etc), last three are for identification of the product.

For Example, 2001 would be for the first pouch we make.

Issues with this are that we now will have repeating style #s because each customer will have to have their own style #s. So 2001 could be a pouch for customer X and Y. Everyone will also have to remember what the first # in the series is for the category and we only have 9 digits in the first # in the style number series to define a lot of different types of products we make.

I'm leaning more towards option 1 to keep things simple.

Our cost sheets all have the different colors in them for a product and we may get different sizes in the same cost sheet as well having a simplified style # of customer and product ID may work best for us.

We'll try this for a few months and if it doesn't work, then we'll course correct. The toughest part is having to keep using all our legacy style #s, however we'll slowly start renaming those to the new #s.

Workspace, tools, machinery, and manufacturing / Re: Double needle binding
« on: February 12, 2018, 04:55:35 PM »

Join this yahoo group and ask your question. Lots of good people in this group that know a ton about sewing machines.

How do you guys do style numbers ? I'm revisiting our way of doing it and wanted to see how others in the tactical gear and outdoor gear world implement them.

I've been a fan of using military terminology, however that doesn't always work well in the factory, with customers, and suppliers.

For example, the first # in the series is in relation to the level of gear. 1000 would be for first line gear, 2000 would be for 2nd line gear. That leaves you three numbers and 999 total for different products in that category/series. For example the first plate carrier you make could be 2001.

The idea of style #s is that you and your team can easily look at them an know what the product is (plate carrier, pouch, backpack, belt, etc) without having to be on a phone call saying, "Hey, lets talk about that MOLLE belt with the plastic buckle, 18th revision, that we worked on three months ago for a customer", and instead say we need to discuss Style # 1003 (First line products, third product in the series).

Now this makes sense to me and a few others, however it does not to a materials supplier, customer, some factory workers, etc.

How do you guys do it?

Some good resources from one of the best sources on this subject, however it's apparel focused.

Required Reading (Buy this book):

Vendors and sources / Re: X-Pac and 3-Layer Gore-Tex in MultiCam
« on: February 08, 2018, 05:07:27 PM »
Have you tried contacting Dimensional Polyant directly for the X-Pac?

Ask for their 2nds and overrun list. They may have what you are looking for without a large minimum order requirement.

POC is:
Hale Walcoff

I am the designer of the Bridger line.

Thanks for the shout out Ryan!

You can support us on Kickstarter through the following link:

Essal, you are sharp, armor was one of the initial requirements. Our patent covers hard and soft armor inserts. We have lots of stuff in the works.

WBTactical, We did a kickstarter to help market the launch and because we thought it would be a fun thing to do (also helps show the boss there is a demand). It pushed me to learn and implement better photography and marketing, which we have not been great at in the past. I highly recommend the experience, the toughest thing is getting the word out. Expect to see a lot more mid and large companies in the tactical market doing kickstarters. For example if company X wants to see if an existing product would be wanted in woodland.

Stay tuned, we have a lot of stuff coming out with these solutions through Raine and our partners.

A main line of our business is helping other companies design and manufacture their products. The Bridger line helps us to market our design and manufacturing capabilities to new customers (Companies and individuals).

That's a great price for the course. I may send a few new co-workers through the webinar.

Thank you for posting.

Asset exchange / Re: Looking for White ITW Side Release Buckles
« on: January 01, 2018, 04:53:47 PM »
Are they made from acetal or nylon?  All military stuff is usually made from Acetal and it gets spec'd in for solicitations.

You might not have a choice in what type of material if you only need a few buckles due to the minimums the buckle manufacturers (ITW and National Molding) require to make them white in acetal (I was also told that it's a pain in the molding process to get a good solid white buckle in acetal due to several technical challenges). This is one of the reasons most of the mid size and big companies all use grey/green buckles for their winter stuff.

See some info in the link below.

Would a low tech solution be possible? Milspec white spray paint for any near/far IR requirement? If your customer is military, they should have a bunch of that stuff.

Plan B or C would be to start calling any gear manufacturer that you know to be using white ITW nexus SR buckles and seeing if they would be good to sell you what you need. Get an intro to their materials purchasing manager from one of your good material suppliers.....Mary at Tweave is great at making these connections.

Materials science / Re: Green ‘paper’ for labels
« on: December 12, 2017, 11:23:13 AM »
Does anyone sell the military color Reemay sheets without the 5,500 sheet minimum per order? It's $1.00 per sheet!

Vendors and sources / Re: Flat Shock Cord/Bungee
« on: October 09, 2017, 10:30:27 PM »
I think Textile Network makes that.

Contact Pam or Robin

Asset exchange / Re: ISO WTB 500D ATACS-FG Fabric Need 5-6 yards
« on: August 15, 2017, 04:03:03 PM »
Thank you for the links! Schott Performance Fabrics is out of FG and it's an 8-10 week lead time.

Asset exchange / ISO WTB 500D ATACS-FG Fabric Need 5-6 yards
« on: August 15, 2017, 08:54:29 AM »
Does anyone have 500D ATACS-FG they are open to selling? Need 5-6 yards. Can pay via paypal or whatever method works best.


Materials science / Re: Looking for Heat Shrink Tubing Supplier
« on: August 01, 2017, 10:03:37 AM »

Do you have a link to the product you mentioned? All I'm getting when I google Fabory is a company called

I'm not finding any heat shrink tubing on their website and they are a company owned by Grainger that resells a bunch of different products. I'm still on the search for a direct manufacturer/supplier of heat shrink tubing.

Materials science / Re: Stretchy Material for Stash Pockets
« on: July 31, 2017, 06:01:12 PM »
Look into the fabric 520E from Tweave. It's what Crye and Arcteryx use on their packs and clothing. It's available in all popular military colors. Arcteryx created the color Crocodile that they sometimes have in stock that goes perfect with multicam, coyote or ranger green color ways. You can get lucky and they may sell you small volumes.

Brookwood prints it in multicam and calls it Flex. You can buy from brookwood in mid/large volumes and in smaller volumes from 1947 llc.

Materials science / Looking for Heat Shrink Tubing Supplier
« on: July 31, 2017, 03:59:52 PM »
Can someone recommend a heat shrink tubing manufacturer/supplier? Preferably not a middle man company, I'm looking to buy volume and would like to purchase direct from the factory if possible. Made in America is a big plus. Not having luck with google, all I'm finding are resellers with large markups.

Materials science / Re: Looking for Stays for Packs
« on: July 31, 2017, 09:30:52 AM »
Give Randy and Cory at Harperworks a call. They did a ton of our frames for the marine pack systems back in the day. They have done work for Arcteryx too. Good prices.

They can supply the bent rods or build an entire riveted frame from metal to your spec. Good people.

Cory Harper
Harper Works, LLC

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