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Asset exchange / M81 woodland MIL-W-5664 elastic 4" and 5"
« on: January 15, 2019, 07:27:58 PM »
Now accepting POs for M81 woodland MIL-W-5664 elastic in 4" and 5" in one and two side print.  Price not to exceed-

-4" one side $9/yard
-4" two side $11/yard
-5" one side $12/yard
-5" two side $14/yard

Order in 100 yard increments per width per style.

Approx 90 day lead time.  Funds due upon completion and prior to shipping.  FCA Phoenix, AZ, USA.  Your PO and UPS, FedEx, or DHL account number are necessary to participate.

Your participation may be disclosed to promote this and future buys.

Email your PO to <buyersclub AT wtfidea DOT com>

Service exchange / WTF cut and sew
« on: January 11, 2019, 09:46:28 AM »
WTF laser cut and sew products to your specifications using our stocked, USA made, Berry compliant, solution dyed, milspec fabrics in ranger green, black, coyote brown, and Multicam.


    -OEM, ODM, and contract sewing; short (QTY 10 per color per style) to long runs
    -Milspec printed tags and apparel care labels
    -Warehouse & dropship your products with a legal, fictitious address to conceal origin
    -White background product photography w/optional props and models
    -Rapid CAD, patternmaking, BOM, TDP, etc and prototyping and development
    -Contract laser cutting up to 66" x 98"
    -Laminating of almost anything to almost anything
    -Reducing costs by ensuring proper execution the first time
    -Self contained operations;  Our costing, design, cutting, sewing, marketing, photography, warehousing, and logistics are under one climate controlled roof.

Purchasing options:

    -Individual and blanket purchase orders
    -IMPAC, GPCs, government purchasing cards, discretionary funds
    -Wire transfer, bank drafts, major credit and debit cards via website checkout

Freight options:

    -Common carrier, LTL, trailer, and container freight options
    -Palletized and custom crated freight on carrier of choice or best rate
    -All shipments are offered FCA Phoenix, AZ, USA

A history of performance:

    -WTF have successfully delivered hundreds of thousands of good parts over more than 13 years of business.
    -WTF have constantly introduced materials, technologies, and processes at an affordable price for integration by other manufacturers.
    -WTF have been recognized over the years by notable industry publications.

Sustainability & continuity:

    -A pricing model to pay above average talent an above average wage is the foundation of this company.  Good pay increases employee morale and product quality.  Good pay reduces turnover, brain drain, and associated costs with training new labor.  The employee benefits from good pay.  The enthusiast, patrolman, and serviceman benefit from a well compensated employee with financial motivation to produce a good part.  WTF ultimately benefit from an employee with good pay.  We take pride in taking care of the employee who take care of your parts.  In the War On Wages; Just Say No to prison labor, slave labor, and undercompensated labor in developed and developing nations.

    -Self contained operations;  Our costing, design, cutting, and sewing operations are on site and under one roof.  This significantly reduces time and cost associated with product development.

    -A flexible workforce;  Maintaining a flexible pool of qualified, trained labor enables us to be responsive and accommodating to our employees' changing scheduling needs.  Moreover, we can scale for production capacity demand as necessary without major interruption to daily operations.

    -All manufacturing and warehouse space is air conditioned and heated year round for employee comfort and focus on your products.  WTF constantly update equipment with the latest, ergonomic, and human friendly options.  We focus on reducing employee fatigue so they may better concentrate on producing a good part.

   -Manufacturing operations are in Phoenix, Arizona far from natural disaster and political and economic instability.  Arizona's infrastructure is new and well managed with reliable roads, airports, power, water, and fiber.  Arizona's stable, relatively mild weather allows for three shift, 7 day a week operations year round as necessary.  When seasonal or unexpected natural disasters paralyze operations in other regions, we're producing.

    -A financially responsible ownership;  We're much more interested in building a long term revenue generating apparatus than refinancing real estate and buying toys.  We live modestly, drive modestly, and minimize participation in high risk activities.
    We spend as much time researching legal professionals as we do our processes and machinery.  We retain these professionals.  We listen to them.  A proactive legal team ensure compliance with applicable laws and regulations to ensure uninterrupted daily operations.

WTF are a complete conversion, manufacturing, and logistical solution for your gear designs.  We can consistently deliver parts to your specifications and destinations.

NDAs are accepted electronically in PDF form from your counsel's email address for inspection and evaluation with a $250 inspection and evaluation fee.  The fee is credited to your first order.  Working with so many designers and manufacturers often results in receiving similar requests from multiple customers, convergent evolution, and similar circumstances.  NDAs, non comps, etc, are typically too vague and potentially disruptive to our business as an agreement with one party could preclude us from doing business with another.  If you have an adversarial, suspicious, xenophobic, or similar mindset toward vendors please look elsewhere.

Our OEM services exist to create a sustainable income for our employees, your brand, and WTF.  It's in our best interest to take excellent care of our customers.  Backdooring parts and otherwise alienating customers is not a sustainable business model.  WTF make specialized materials and manufacturing processes affordable and readily available to those who may be otherwise unable to access them.  Moreover, we have experience with a vast width and breadth of materials and their respective applications within and beyond the textiles realm.

There is an astonishing collection of high performance machinery and talent within our operation.  We like to keep our machinery producing and our talent engaged.  Whether revenue is generated through our brand or yours is irrelevant to us.



Accepting POs now for production to be completed late February 2019.  Payment due upon completion.  Participation requires your common carrier account number or third party freight arrangements.

Asset exchange / Murdock M81 woodland 1" webbing in 1000 yard lots
« on: December 21, 2018, 08:24:51 AM »
Thanks to the assistance of other gearmakers and our combined purchasing power, WTF have commissioned a run of 1" Murdock M81 woodland jacquard webbing.  We're making it available to other gearmakers in 1000 yard lots.  Total cost is just under $1000.00USD per 1000 yard lot.  For pricing transparency, the quote is available for your inspection upon request.

No payment due up front.  A purchase order is necessary to participate.  Payment will be due upon completion.  Parts are offered FCA Central Falls, RI and participants must provide a valid UPS, FedEx, or DHL account number for freight.  90 day lead time.  Your participation may be publicly disclosed to assist in promoting future gearmaker material group buys.

Please direct questions to buyersclub AT wtfidea DOT com

Participants (disclosed with their respective written permission) involved with this group buy as of 19DEC2018: EssTac, OC Tactical, Whiskey Two Four

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Asset exchange / WTB: 2 yards of GreenZone printed loop 4"
« on: December 13, 2018, 11:53:21 AM »
WTB:  2 yards of GreenZone printed loop 4"

Asset exchange / Silicone Fiberglass High Temperature Fabric / yard
« on: November 08, 2018, 10:58:30 AM »
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Silicone fiberglass high temperature fabric.  Excellent for hot pipe insulating sleeves, welding blankets, and more.  The fabric laser cuts mostly clean with slight edge melting and charring.

Will it work for your specific application?  I don't know.

15oz / sq yard

0.020" thick

60" wide

500F / 260C working temperature

1000F / 540C peak temperature

To use the self quote laser cut laminate spreadsheet:

Input total square inches of material of your choice.  Input total linear inches of non perimeter cutting.  Input total linear inches of perimeter cutting.  Get price.

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Materials science / Laminate options
« on: September 14, 2018, 10:40:04 AM »
Are you looking for something other than what's available on the market currently?  Almost every day we experiment with new solvents, adhesives, sonic and vibration welding, and a few other related processes.  This constant scientific evaluation and testing has given us all the boring, tedious details, speeds, and feeds to produce the optimal combination of peel strength, weight, abrasion resistance, and hand.  It's easy to spend thousand or tens of thousands on development failures.  Let us produce a result for you while saving you money.

The demand for 500D/500D in the big 4 colors has precluded us from offering other options.  A new, bigger, whizbang laminating machine with all sorts bells, whistles, and doodads will offer us additional production capacity.

Are you interested in 500D / 1000D?  1000D / 1000D  500D / 330D?  Some other combination?

Solution dyed navy blue (fingers crossed for LAPD blue) should be available 2019 if that color interests you.

Service exchange / Custom laminating up to 60" wide
« on: September 05, 2018, 09:32:15 AM »
Do you need almost anything stuck to almost anything else?  Eliminate costly touch labor and increase throughput with a lamination solution for your production lamentation.

WTF stock a vast selection of milspec, solution dyed, Berry compliant wide and narrow fabrics ready for conversion in to your custom laminated product up to 60" wide.

Do you need a particular peel strength?  Waterproof barrier?  Integrated electronic circuits or wires?  Aramid or paraaramid reinforcement?  We do that.

Email <laminating AT wtfidea DOT com>

Are you tired of cutting 60" wide fabric to size for your laser or knife cutter?  Do you realize the touch labor costs involved when cutting fabric to size?

We stock 60" wide 75 yard rolls of milspec, Berry 500D nylon ready for slitting to your specified width(s).  Black, coyote brown, Multicam and ranger green (unavailable until October-ish due to Invista yarn plant relocation).  We can rewind to any size roll you like--> Smaller rolls reduce employee fatigue and injury probability.

Email your needs to <converting AT wtfidea DOT com>

WTF stock ACRONYM and SQUADRON laminate for cutting parts to your spec.  For contract cutting we charge cost + 10% for materials we stock.  10% pays for the the energy to get it here and store it in a climate controlled environment.

We can cut parts up to 54.75" 1390mm wide (limited by the 55" 1397mm width of laminate fabric) x 98" 2490mm long.

Email your CAD (dxf, cdr, or PDF please) to <quote AT wtfidea DOT com> for a fixed, per part price plus setup fee per color.  We accept CAD for individual parts and nested layouts.

NDAs may be submitted for inspection with a $250 counsel inspection fee.  The fee is credited to your first order.  Attorneys who actively practice IP and gear design ain't cheap.  It doesn't make financial sense for us to participate in an agreement that hinders our business.  We stock laminate to sell laser time: cut yardage rates and 5 yard rolls rate reflect this.

$23.34/sq yd or $35.67/55" wide linear yard (retail 55" wide cut yardage @ $73.12 / yard, 5 yard roll @ $53.05/yard) WTF ACRONYM laminate 500D Multicam / 500D Multicam

$25.56/sq yd or $39.05/55" wide linear yard Brookwood SQUADRON laminate 500D Multicam / 1000D solution dyed coyote brown

$17.36/sq yd or $26.52/55" wide linear yard WTF ACRONYM laminate 500D solution dyed coyote brown / 500D solution dyed coyote brown

$24.91/sq yd or $35.07/55" wide linear yard Brookwood SQUADRON laminate 500D solution dyed coyote brown / 1000D solution dyed coyote brown

$17.36/sq yd or $26.52/55" wide linear yard WTF ACRONYM laminate 500D solution dyed black / 500D solution dyed black

$22.32/sq yd or $34.10/55" wide linear yard Brookwood SQUADRON laminate 500D NOT SOLUTION DYED black / 1000D NOT SOLUTION DYED black

$17.36/sq yd or $26.52/55" wide linear yard WTF ACRONYM laminate 500D solution dyed ranger green / 500D solution dyed ranger green

$00.00/sq yd Brookwood SQUADRON laminate not available in ranger green

$20.19/sq yd or $30.85/55" wide linear yard WTF ACRONYM laminate 500D solution dyed wolf grey / 500D solution dyed wolf grey

$22.32/sq yd or $34.10/55" wide linear yard Brookwood SQUADRON laminate 500D NOT SOLUTION DYED wolf grey / 1000D NOT SOLUTION DYED wolf grey

$23.34/sq yd or $35.67/55" wide linear yard (retail 55" wide cut yardage @ $73.12 / yard, 5 yard roll @ $53.05/yard) WTF ACRONYM laminate 500D Multicam BLACK / 500D Multicam BLACK

$00.00/sq yd Brookwood SQUADRON laminate not available in Multicam BLACK

$23.34/sq yd or $35.67/55" wide linear yard (retail 55" wide cut yardage @ $73.12 / yard, 5 yard roll @ $53.05/yard) WTF ACRONYM laminate 500D Multicam TROPIC / 500D Multicam TROPIC

$00.00/sq yd Brookwood SQUADRON laminate not available in Multicam TROPIC

$23.34/sq yd or $35.67/55" wide linear yard (retail 55" wide cut yardage @ $73.12 / yard, 5 yard roll @ $53.05/yard) WTF ACRONYM laminate 500D Multicam ARID / 500D Multicam ARID

$00.00/sq yd Brookwood SQUADRON laminate not available in Multicam ARID

$23.34/sq yd or $35.67/55" wide linear yard (retail 55" wide cut yardage @ $73.12 / yard, 5 yard roll @ $53.05/yard) WTF ACRONYM laminate 500D Multicam ALIPNE / 500D Multicam ALPINE

$00.00/sq yd Brookwood SQUADRON laminate not available in Multicam ALPINE

Workspace, tools, machinery, and manufacturing / Juki LU-2828V-7
« on: August 12, 2018, 10:32:41 AM »
Nick of let us know that some LU-2828V-7s were available.

I hadn't heard of them.  Mother of God.  I couldn't imagine stitch quality better than what the 2828A-7 offers but Juki figured it out.  And they're WiFi enabled

New machinery should arrive early September.  Very exciting.  If you have questions, please ask.

And you can talk to it with a tablet (9000C shown)-

LU-2800V-7 Series

Semi-dry, direct-drive, Unison-feed, Lockstitch Sewing System (Digital Type)

The LU-2800V-7 Series are high-performance sewing machines that have been digitized for easier set-up and operation . It leaves a shorter thread on the material at the beginning of sewing by means of the needle thread clamp device, as well as at the end of sewing by means of the thread trimmer. Thanks to the adoption of a 2.7-fold hook (LU-2828V-7), the frequency of bobbin thread changing is reduced and work-ability is improved. Perfect parameters needed to achieve a high quality seams can be set digitally and key conditions do not need to be manually adjusted. Thanks to this digitalization, optimum adjustment values required to produce high-quality seams can be stored on a material-by-material basis in the machines internal memory and can be reproduced with ease.

Tired of wildly varying widths of hook and loop?  We found a modern, world class mill in Taiwan who can accommodate.  We're starting with 6" wide hook and loop made to A-A-55126-B and then trimmed of selvage to a final width of 6" +/- 0.050".  We look forward to introducing more widths in the coming months.

Trimmed selvage hook and loop behaves so much more predictably than hook and loop with selvage.  Lengths will lay flat without warping and with minimal curling.  These properties produce a much more consistent cut on automated cutting equipment.  There's a teeny bit more hook and loop surface area too.

It will be available in black, coyote brown, ranger green, and wolf grey.

Sold by the yard at $7.50/yard, 25 yard roll at $3.30/yard, and by the 75 yard case at $2.50/yard.  First delivery is expected in October.  POs without prepayment are accepted to reserve yours.

Asset exchange / WTB: Texcel ranger green 1" 5038 solution dyed 10 yards
« on: August 07, 2018, 09:33:22 AM »
WTB:  Texcel ranger green 1" 5038 solution dyed. 10 yards please.

PayPal ready.

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